killed her any way he wanted. it was the knee-jerk idiocy that fox news -- we talked about it at the time, what fox news has always feared is a sane, common sense discussion about guns and fox news operates as an appendage to the nra. so for rupert murdoch to lecture obama to do something about guns while his highest-profile media entity is designed specifically to silence any discussion about guns is the height of hypocrisy. >> stephanie: absolutely. you bring up bob costas, eric. there are facts and figures. when you have bill bennett going we don't know what the effect of the assault ban expiring was. yes, we do. assaults with guns have tripled since then with assault weapons. you know, it does not take a genius eric. >> yeah, yeah. >> stephanie: and bob costas' point, i was going to say i read a statistic earlier. you are 43 times more likely to kill a spouse or family member than you are an intruder if there is a gun to the home. that goes to bob costas' point. >> the suicide rate skyrockets when you have gun